Comments on: Lincoln Doubles Down

By: Edwin Thompson

Edwin Thompson — Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:24:04 +0000

Yes – well said. I subconsciously assumed you meant that Lincoln’s efforts toward emancipation were intentionally “gradual”. But that is not what you said. Sorry about that – it’s not the first mistake I made today – haha. Lincoln was a lawyer and a politician looking for a solution to slavery. And as time went on and the war unfolded, he no longer had to make the same efforts for peace that he made in his first inaugural address. Your Vicksburg analogy is a good one that also applies to Lincoln’s methods to eliminate slavery. For an uneducated country lawyer, he had tremendous political skill.

By: Donald R. Shaffer

Donald R. Shaffer — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:17:52 +0000

Well said Margaret, I couldn’t have put it better myself.

By: Margaret D. Blough

Margaret D. Blough — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:55:08 +0000

My remark at 10:54 am is to Mr. Thompson

By: Margaret D. Blough

Margaret D. Blough — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:54:06 +0000

I’m not sure that there IS a conflict in what you and I said. My statement was about the process of ending slavery, not Lincoln’s belief that slavery was wrong which was consistent and lifelong. However, Lincoln was very concerned in what would happen to emancipated former slaves after the war ended. He didn’t push the 13th amendment through until the lame duck session of Congress that began in in December 1864 and a prior attempt had fallen short earlier in 1864. Until that happened, the only Constitutionally sure way to end slavery in a loyal state was for the state itself to end it. He also felt that, if a state ended slavery voluntarily even if gradually, it would reduce the chances of widespread mistreatment of freed blacks. In addition, as difficult as getting the 13th Amendment through Congress was, he also had to prepare the ground so that it would be ratified. In some ways, Lincoln’s attacks on slavery was like Grant’s campaign against Vicksburg. Be flexible, try different approaches including the indirect ones, if one approach failed, adjust and keep moving toward the goal. The one thing that never changed and which Grant ultimately accomplished was his ultimate goal: the surrender of Vicksburg to Union forces.

By: Edwin Thompson

Edwin Thompson — Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:53:44 +0000

Margaret – I would disagree with that statement. But Donald has written similar things and I’ve never understood the basis.

The gradual process was in changing the laws and our constitution. Lincoln and the people who elected him were firm in their beliefs – there wa nothing gradual.

Long before Lincoln became President, his speeches were on the evils of slavery. The 1850′s saw the infamous Taney Court and decisions such as the Fugitive Slave Act and the Dred Scott Decision. No wonder northern states were helping slaves escape to Canada. Those states had abolished slavery yet their laws were being trumped by Federal Laws. It is ironic that today we hear of neo-confederates speak of states’ rights. What a twisting of history.

Southern states were nothing but armed prison camps. John Brown was one crazy guy – but he was right and he inspired a generation of people. Slavery would be resolved with war (verses laws). And many northern soldiers went to war singing about this great American – as crazy as he was.

No – there was nothing gradual in the minds of Lincoln and his followers. He wanted to preserve democracy and ban slavery as the northern states had done. To do that, he had to change the Constitution. And there is nothing gradual in that.

By: drbronsonstaughistory

drbronsonstaughistory — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 01:01:18 +0000

Here is the take by former treasury agent Edward Pierce in his Atlantic Monthly article on Port Royal in 1863 about Lincoln in those early months of 1862:

“At the suggestion of the Secretary, the President appointed an interview with the agent. Mr. Lincoln, who was then chafing under a prospective bereavement, listened for a few moments, and then said, somewhat impatiently, that he did not think he ought to be troubled with such details &;that there seemed to be an itching to get negroes into our lines; to which the agent replied, that these negroes were within them by the invitation of no one, being domiciled there before we commenced occupation. The President then wrote and handed to the agent the following card:

I shall be obliged if the Sec. of the Treasury will in his discretion give Mr. Pierce such instructions in regard to Port Royal contrabands as may seem judicious ;A. LINCOLN; Feb. 15, 1862.

The President, so history must write it, approached the great question slowly and reluctantly; and in February, 1862, he little dreamed of the proclamations he was to issue in the September and January following.”

By: Margaret D. Blough

Margaret D. Blough — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 23:22:39 +0000

I think it was definitely a gradual process on everyone’s part. In addition, Lincoln certainly believed that emancipation would be on sounder footing, especially for the freed people, if the loyal states did it on their own.