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By: Paul Taulbee

Paul Taulbee — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:07:34 +0000

If slavery was so benevloent why did we have Fugitive Slave Laws? Why did those happy content slaves flock to that old racist William T. Sherman as he led his horde of burning Yankees into the heart of the South in 1864? Was Frederick Douglas just a fabricator in his biography?

By: Henry Matarozzi

Henry Matarozzi — Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:05:50 +0000

Jefferson Davis, maybe you should proofread your posts before accusing others of being ignorant. They are full of non-sequiters and spelling errors.

By: Ret Marine

Ret Marine — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:13:02 +0000

@ Jefferson Davis…you have “complete knowlege of this country…?” that statement in itself belies your arrogance…and sadly your ignorance.

By: Jefferson Davis

Jefferson Davis — Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:11:33 +0000

Donald do you actually believe that the Confederate gov was worried about a race war with the black man, when it took them all of two to three weeks to have a malitia of over 50,000 and over 200,000 in the next 6 months… I do not know how you would ever come to believe that the south was worried about some black men getting out of control… Come on now!! And Donald it was not “preserving slavery” that the lower south was after. It was the preservation of its citizens rights so afforded by the Constitution… Please tell me you have read and know something about the original constitution and its content. Wow… Washinton was a slave holder, so was Jefferson. Right wrong or indifferent; there is no difference of this scenario than what happened leading up to the civil war… How would it fair if all of sudden everyone in the north was told they could no longer ride snowmobiles,, or snowmachines ( depending where you’re from) because the governer of Texas thinks they are stupid… No, better yet, there is no more ice skating because Barrack is a black man and thinks it is stupid, one can only play basketball.. Do you not understand that is how the south saw it. They saw something that was their way of life being assulted and messed with, somthing that the constitution said was oky dokie. Hey we have something like this going on now, have you been paying attention to the health care bill, have you been watching what is/has happened in Wis. How about the Arizona problem with the profiling of the Mexicans crossing the border. It was then as it is now, the gubment interfearing in the frivate lives of the citizens. Slavery was wrong for THIS TIME. But back then it was not, it was a way of life, for more than just a few it was a complete region. Just like you believe one way or the other of the health care bill… Doesn’t matter what side you’re on now, in the long run it is just a device for the gubment to test us on what we will put up with… It is a bad thing in the long run. Just like freeing the slaves the way they were was a bad thing…. So, one more question… Would you rather want a woman to want to love you, or would you prefer to force her to love you. Wouldn’t it have been better for the government to want to free the slaves than to have been forced. This is the kind of wisdom I’m talking about here people… The plain simple truth is the uneducated mexicans coming into this county are causing a heap of trouble, I bet I can get you to agree to that! but freeing the slaves was letting loose all uneducated african people on one nation. Gee I wonder is that why the seperate but equale rule was the normal events until 1954. See it took another almost 90 years for the africans to try to fit into a society that was not thiers, not theirs, not by chioce, but none the less not theirs. It was an evil thing to have Nathan Bedford Forrest be a slave trader, but we are looking at it from out point of view in this time, back then it was not the case. It was terrible to have a family split up the way they were… But lets look back in our time machine. The africans in Africa were starving, there food source was nill, still is, if a back woman had a child in Africa she had a 78% chance of her child dying. In America she had a 54% chance of her child dying…. You see Donald the part you are not told is that alot of black people volunteered to come to america in servtitude to have a better life than the one they had in Africa. Donald get the whole picture before you believe a blog of this magnitude will not find a person like me. I have complete knowlege of this country from the revolutionary war up to the war of 1812 to the mexican american war, to the war of the blackhawks with the United states in illinois, the missouri compromise and the whole shoot’n match. You do not know enough to pretend to have what seems to be the opinion that you do. The Point is: neither was right, and neither was wrong, it is how it was done that made the Union Wrong.

By: Jefferson Davis

Jefferson Davis — Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:08:40 +0000

The only reason for the Civil war was to NOT allow another seperate Country to come into existance…

By: Jefferson Davis

Jefferson Davis — Thu, 17 Mar 2011 02:05:34 +0000

I can see total ignorance is still prevalent… Lets clarify the English language and its reading for those of you with inteligence quotients below 130.

“What you believe is what you have been told and what you “believe” to have read that is the TOTAL truth”

Meaning you are like children! who only believe what they are told and never confirm anything because you’re too ignorant to want to know the truth, or just so brain washed that it is easier to hold onto the lies because if you were to find out somthing different than what you have believed you would have to kill yourselves due to the complete undestanding that you are a bug in the system of this country, and you are toyed with like a little bi-otch… Better to believe you are in control. Ignorance is bliss…. Why is it that 9 out of 10 movies made about the Civil war are from the view point of the Confederate Gov. How come one of the greatest movies of all time “Gone with the Wind” is about a story from the south during the civil war, and not a story from the lets say, New York, or Philadelphia, because no one has ever given a cr-p about the industrial world (the North) it was and is about the south, and all the wrong things that happend to a complete culture because of one mans meglomania. I can not change anyones mind here, I have no intention of such a thing. The only reason I even blog once in a while is to take the temp of the cattle in this Country. Hey stupid! go google Ruby Ridge, Waco, and actually read the whole thing… Then come back and make some more excuses for your ignorance. Hey idiot, you’re as free as a Canary in a cage, and it all started because of the Civil war. Hey idiot, if the south would have won, we may have had slavery for another 50 or so years, but we would have there would have been no Depression of the late 20′s and all of the 30′s ( this country caused that ) the country would not have been so big to cause such a problem. Japan would have never bombed Pearl harbor. Becasue this country would not have so big it thought it could push around other countries by cutting off their supplies. There would have been two countries, North America and The Cnofederate states of America. Hey look at it this way, all of us living in the north would not have to be putting up with all the “border crossers” from Mexico. The craziest thing you will never get is that I know anyone on here who disarees with me on any of this is from the North, because 95 out of 100 southerners do not, unless you are from African liniage.

Walter Langer wrote… If you tell a lie enough and often enough it soon enough becomes the truth.

Adlai Stevenson: Once said… It is easier to fight for principles; than to live up to them.

Please go get a real education before you intend to engage this type of conversation.

By: Donald Shaffer

Donald Shaffer — Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:28:42 +0000

Hi Jeff. The best sources in History are primary sources, from the time of the Civil War, which I have made the heart of my blog. They say that slavery is the BIG cause of the war, particularly the Confederate documents. Slaveholders feared their slaves, but were even more afraid of them becoming free, because they believed it would result in a bloody race war which only the continuation of slavery could forestall. Hence, when Lincoln and the Republican party won the 1860 election, slaveholders in the Lower South decided secession was the only way they could preserve slavery. The Upper South was on the fence, until Lincoln’s call for the volunteers in the wake of the assault on Fort Sumter convinced Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas that Lincoln’s assurances of non-interference with slavery could not be trusted since he was willing to use military force to preserve the Union.

By: Jefferson Davis

Jefferson Davis — Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:50:53 +0000

Slavery was the excuse… I agree that slavery had something to do with it. But it was not the main reason. If you think the only PROBLEM the South had with the North you would be sadley mistaken. The other problems were the South wanted to expand the land of the South in their way, does anyone know how hard it is on the land to grow cotton? it takes up to 3 years for the ground to recover from one years worth of cotton. The sad part is the bigger gorilla in the room will never be known by the school children who are taught Mr. Lincoln was a saint, and should be seated at the right hand of God. The sad part is slavery was the excuse to stop STATE RIGHTS and continue to allow the states to act sovereign… If Mr. Lincoln was so high and might why did he only try and free the slaves in the south where he had no power, but were he did have power he did not. The worst part is that when you look at the time line, Mr. Lincoln freed the slaves on Jan 1st 1863—- that is almost two years after the war started. He did it becasue he knew if he did the black men would come over to the North where MEN were needed. The North kept getting their rears kicked by the South all through 1862…. Fredricksburg… Chancelorsville, just to name a few. No, Donald! the war really became about slavery when Mr. Lincoln realized the gift that was given when he was loosing the war, a small preponderace of the evidence that he could now pretend was his original intentions… Kind of like the guy who is showing off for the girl and he does the splits and cracks his ‘sack’ on the ground but pretends that was his original intention to do the splits, as if he really could. Donald it is disapointing to me to realize you probably have the best intentions and have for sure a good heart in life and maybe are a good father and husband or what ever you do in life. I appreciate that you have teken the time to actually read somthing other than somthing irrelevant, but one of the inherant problems with this conversations is I can prove all the things I’ve mentioned. It sounds to me as though you have just now discovered the Confederate documents… I read them 22 years ago, my thesis was on the Civil war in Collage, I started out as a History Major. I believe you are a good person, I do, just don’t have enough information just yet. If you can go down load the book… Mary Surratt: An American Tragedy. By Elizabeth Steger Trindal. The first 102 pages will shock you… Now remember she did more than 15 years of research before she wrote this book, all of her information has been confirmed by evidence…

By: Donald Shaffer

Donald Shaffer — Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:26:25 +0000

Hi David. Classic truthiness. Jeff’s sense of the truth comes from his guts–the facts be d—-d.